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| Quote: | Again guys thanks a bunch. I sure did not mean to get you all riled up!  I guess what I'd really like to know for now is, am I ok (for now) running the Superchips 1705 and K&N air filter. Like I said we live on a very tight budget, and if these add ons are helpful I'd prefer to use them until I can upgrade to Banks or DP. Thanks again, this is by far my favorite forum.
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OK as in what? It probably won't blow up the motor. It won't be optimal but it is probably won't kill you. Economy is basically you driving like you have an egg between your foot and pedal. Some have complained about the K&N filter not sealing well. I'm not totally sure since I have switched to the AIS system a long time ago and didn't go that route. IF you are doing that, make damn sure it seals up right. You don't want the turbo to get dusted. If it was given to you, make sure it is sealing right. If not, I would go with any one of the many out there. S&B, AFE, AIS, etc, etc. I went with AIS because it was supposedly developed for desert conditions and I do bring it to dusty areas. Otherwise, people with more power than you have successfully used the 6637 filter and as I said, it can be had for $80.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
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MountainWestDiesel
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Posted:4/11/2011 22:31 |
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Aklim,
and like i point out... you cannot come up w/ anyone who knows diesels like Banks... nor can you name a competitor with a similar bolt on option... that bring everything from breathe-ability to chip tuning, in one bolt on application... you failed...
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You drive a 7.3L diesel... and your on a tight budget... you may need to re-evaluate your fiances... at $4 to $5 a gallon... you need to get serious about savings... ...you'll never make it an economical ride with a 3 setting chip... and a cheap K&N filter...
You want to make that beat pur...? Open the airways... improve the inter-cooler.... expand the exhaust... get an economical chip... because you aren't looking to tow anything, or race anyone...
Banks has these... and they are each sold separately... so, piece by piece... you can build your 7.3L into something that is truly economical... instead of looking for the $300 cheap chip fix... from some backyard diesel mechanic on supermotors.com....
Its your money... its your beast... but, I have a system from Banks that gives me exactly what I need, when I need it... there was no competition... and I didn't have to surf these posts for answers... you need to hit the website... do your own research... and then decide...
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aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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Posted:4/12/2011 04:29 |
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| Quote: | Aklim,
and like i point out... you cannot come up w/ anyone who knows diesels like Banks... nor can you name a competitor with a similar bolt on option... that bring everything from breathe-ability to chip tuning, in one bolt on application... you failed...
You drive a 7.3L diesel... and your on a tight budget... you may need to re-evaluate your fiances... at $4 to $5 a gallon... you need to get serious about savings... ...you'll never make it an economical ride with a 3 setting chip... and a cheap K&N filter...
You want to make that beat pur...? Open the airways... improve the inter-cooler.... expand the exhaust... get an economical chip... because you aren't looking to tow anything, or race anyone...
Banks has these... and they are each sold separately... so, piece by piece... you can build your 7.3L into something that is truly economical... instead of looking for the $300 cheap chip fix... from some backyard diesel mechanic on supermotors.com....
Its your money... its your beast... but, I have a system from Banks that gives me exactly what I need, when I need it... there was no competition... and I didn't have to surf these posts for answers... you need to hit the website... do your own research... and then decide...
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If your question is who can you go to, drop your credit card and have them outfit your truck from stem to stern, I will concede that point. Banks has the marketing to get all these products under his brand name and sell them. Nobody can touch his advertisement dept. I think I have already conceded that point several posts ago so I don't know why you are beating that dead horse. When you want to get serious, tell me about the "Six Gun" and what it really is and tell me what you know about Banks that the salesman didn't when I asked about going BEYOND what they offered. Buying a system with limited growth except in one direction is like building an architecturally sound house with a weird layout and funny paint colors. When time comes to sell, it is less desirable.
The one thing I suspect we will agree on.
Why not a single program on the chip that has been written by an established tuner that can set it to what your needs are? There are a host of tuners out there that have done work on many vehicles without issues. Why pay more for a canned tune? I wouldn't. The tuners have been constantly refining their work. Alas, not their marketing department. The guys mentioned in The link below aren't just some "fly by night" shop started yesterday. They are established by many people with real dino runs and running higher powers than what Banks system will do. Some of them have been is real dyno shootouts, something Banks hasn't done in a long time.
Well, as I said, if you want something under one roof, Banks can't be beat. Of course, none of those tuners who are constantly developing their products with improved products can recommend other parts that he needs. 
Only if you want a "one stop shop" where you can lay down your credit card and he tells you exactly what you can or cannot do. Sorry, I left my parents house a long time ago because I wanted more control of what I can do. I don't need Mommy and Daddy to tell me "It's my way or the highway".
BONUS QUESTIONS (IF you have the sands)
1. Tell me what the "Six Gun" is
2. Banks cannot adapt to different injectors or turbos in his system, per the sales dept. How are you not a "One Trick Pony" basically
3. What can the IQ you have do if you go outside the sanctioned system with the updates?
01 Excursion. Gauges with AIH Delete, AIS Air Filter system, CCV Mod, 4' MBRP, BTS Trans, 6.0L Trans Cooler and Intercooler, DP-Tuner F6 chip, ITP In Tank Mod and Boost Annihilator, Diesel Innovation's Regulated Fuel kit, BTS Big Oil system, GTP38R Turbo with 1.15 A/R housing and BDP Stage II AC injectors. Bilstein Shocks with U code front and A code Rear. Billet thermostat housing |
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aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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Posted:4/12/2011 04:56 |
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http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78281
Mark, go read up on the different tuners available. Call a few of them and ask them questions. Unlike Banks they cannot sell you everything under one roof but they have done actual dyno tests on their products WITH some, not everything out there so they have some sort of idea besides "This is what I have and it was the best, is the best and will forever be the best".
I have to warn you that they don't market as well as Banks but thousands have used their product and if the tuner cannot tell you what they have worked well with on a dyno, I don't know who can.
Here is a proposal for you. I will tell you up front that you risk having to spend a few bucks on the shipping of your PCM. Call Jody from www.dp-tuner.com and ask him to send you a tune set up for what you tell him. He might even have a core PCM to send you if you are lucky. Install the PCM and try it out with what you have and see if it is better than what you have. If you are concerned about mileage, load up your SC and drive it till your PCM gets a program. Drive his program just like you would. If you like it, keep it and send back your old PCM. If not, send him back his PCM. You are out the shipping if you don't like it because he will refund you your $75.
Should you like what he does, ask him what other intakes, exhaust, etc, etc, will help YOUR particular situation. See what he is made of first before you take his opinion. I can honestly tell you that if you go to other forums, you will see a lot of "I bought Banks. Now I have this, I wish I did it first.".
01 Excursion. Gauges with AIH Delete, AIS Air Filter system, CCV Mod, 4' MBRP, BTS Trans, 6.0L Trans Cooler and Intercooler, DP-Tuner F6 chip, ITP In Tank Mod and Boost Annihilator, Diesel Innovation's Regulated Fuel kit, BTS Big Oil system, GTP38R Turbo with 1.15 A/R housing and BDP Stage II AC injectors. Bilstein Shocks with U code front and A code Rear. Billet thermostat housing |
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MountainWestDiesel
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• Mountain West, WY, USA |
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Posted:4/12/2011 05:47 |
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once again... you cannot name 1 person "by name" who can match the stats of Banks.
I never called a sales rep... the sales rep called me...
After spending several months of looking into Bully Dog, Edge and Diablo... just to name a few... its not that their chips were inferior or superior (the tests did show they were inferior to the Six-Gun, see below link)... it was that they never had the "total package" that Banks has... and not just for Ford... but Chevy, Dodge and VW diesels as well... So I sent in an email to Banks requesting further information...
I actually bought my system pieces parts at a time... through Thoroughbred Diesel and Performance Truck Products... they were cheaper... Didn't have to throw down a credit card... I used my PayPal account that debits my checking account... ;) I won't purchase something, with the exception of my Ranch in WY, that I can purchase w/ money I already have in the bank. ;) Fools, & their money, soon part.
After deciding on where I want my Ex to be performance and options wise on chips, air intake, inter-cooler, exhaust, chip & computer... not to mention I eventually will tow a large toy hauler camper, and maybe a horse or two... you have seen those two studs I have in my profile... ...I realized Bully Dog (Started in 199 had a chip and exhaust (the exhaust looks cheap), Edge (started in 1999) had even less & Diablo (started in 2000) had as much as Edge (but kick ass looking t-shirts). Banks was started in 1958. This made me realize that these other 3 vendors are not what:
A. I wanted as products on a large investment
B. Would make a diesel truly perform to its potential in Economy, Towing or Performance
C. They appeared to have no, to VERY limited R&D behind their kit.
**Even all 3 combined lacked a total system solution of Air intake, cooling, exhaust, chip improvement and control via iQ**
Like investing in the stock market... go with the proven winner... with 50 plus years of R&D. Fly by nights are just that, they may make it in this world, but I have no doubts they are using a lot of his research & development, not to mention his trials and errors, to go forward...
What can my Six-Gun do...?
Check it out for yourself....
http://www.bankspower.com/news/show/42-Six-Gun-Shootout
Bully Dog, Superchips, PPE Hot+2, Hypertech & Edge... Banks beat them all ...handily...
Now, I think I have given you every single reason why:
A. I picked this system over a mix and match of aftermarket newbees
B. Why Banks has a better product because it covers the entire "soup to nuts" of diesel upgrades
C. Why Mark, if he is indeed serious about economy, with the possibility of future towing and performance if he ever does desire this future option, even if he decides to put a lift and bigger tires, should choose Banks over just a chip and a K&N filter.
Yes, not at a racing level, you want to go mega HP & Torque... prepare for dual turbos, large CC injectors... and open stack pipes... etc etc but, that is not his end state... He needs to be patient... set his budget... and focus on the winner... and with he needs... he Needs to start w/ an Air intake... and work his way thru the rest of the banks bundle... he will be truly satisfied... i dare say... Banks will even add to any resale value... if he (god forbid) ever has to sell his beast... even though a 7.3L is a beast... and out of favor now w/ most folks... due to the price of diesel... and the related gas mileage a 7.3L produces... it will still hold a brand name value to his vehicle... it may be minor... but, it would show to any prospective buyer that someone cared about the motor... and not just how fast a chip could make the beast run...
YES ! You are correct... BANKS has cool stickers... that look sexy... and chicks dig the stickers...unfortunately... no t-shirts... I will ask though... Doesn't hurt to ask...
You have been a worthy Diesel opponent... I respect that... Next time... Post your vehicle... Mine is posted... from purchase condition... thru my first 2, of many future upgrades...
I am interested in see exactly what all those stats and upgrades look like...
If I go with an injector upgrade... the SIx-Gun is the least of my worries... now you are talking head-studs... gaskets... turbos... possible new gears... transmission upgrades... heavy duty brakes... way too much... maybe after I hit the lottery...
P.S. I have no desire to upgrade to new injectors... get that thru to that hard head of yours... you are so hard headed... you remind me.... OF ME !!
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aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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Posted:4/12/2011 06:51 |
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| Quote: | once again... you cannot name 1 person "by name" who can match the stats of Banks.
I never called a sales rep... the sales rep called me...
After spending several months of looking into Bully Dog, Edge and Diablo... just to name a few... its not that their chips were inferior or superior (the tests did show they were inferior to the Six-Gun, see below link)... it was that they never had the "total package" that Banks has... and not just for Ford... but Chevy, Dodge and VW diesels as well... So I sent in an email to Banks requesting further information...
I actually bought my system pieces parts at a time... through Thoroughbred Diesel and Performance Truck Products... they were cheaper... Didn't have to throw down a credit card... I used my PayPal account that debits my checking account... ;) I won't purchase something, with the exception of my Ranch in WY, that I can purchase w/ money I already have in the bank. ;) Fools, & their money, soon part.
After deciding on where I want my Ex to be performance and options wise on chips, air intake, inter-cooler, exhaust, chip & computer... not to mention I eventually will tow a large toy hauler camper, and maybe a horse or two... you have seen those two studs I have in my profile... ...I realized Bully Dog (Started in 199 had a chip and exhaust (the exhaust looks cheap), Edge (started in 1999) had even less & Diablo (started in 2000) had as much as Edge (but kick ass looking t-shirts). Banks was started in 1958. This made me realize that these other 3 vendors are not what:
A. I wanted as products on a large investment
B. Would make a diesel truly perform to its potential in Economy, Towing or Performance
C. They appeared to have no, to VERY limited R&D behind their kit.
**Even all 3 combined lacked a total system solution of Air intake, cooling, exhaust, chip improvement and control via iQ**
Like investing in the stock market... go with the proven winner... with 50 plus years of R&D. Fly by nights are just that, they may make it in this world, but I have no doubts they are using a lot of his research & development, not to mention his trials and errors, to go forward...
What can my Six-Gun do...?
Check it out for yourself....
http://www.bankspower.com/news/show/42-Six-Gun-Shootout
Bully Dog, Superchips, PPE Hot+2, Hypertech & Edge... Banks beat them all ...handily...
Now, I think I have given you every single reason why:
A. I picked this system over a mix and match of aftermarket newbees
B. Why Banks has a better product because it covers the entire "soup to nuts" of diesel upgrades
C. Why Mark, if he is indeed serious about economy, with the possibility of future towing and performance if he ever does desire this future option, even if he decides to put a lift and bigger tires, should choose Banks over just a chip and a K&N filter.
Yes, not at a racing level, you want to go mega HP & Torque... prepare for dual turbos, large CC injectors... and open stack pipes... etc etc but, that is not his end state... He needs to be patient... set his budget... and focus on the winner... and with he needs... he Needs to start w/ an Air intake... and work his way thru the rest of the banks bundle... he will be truly satisfied... i dare say... Banks will even add to any resale value... if he (god forbid) ever has to sell his beast... even though a 7.3L is a beast... and out of favor now w/ most folks... due to the price of diesel... and the related gas mileage a 7.3L produces... it will still hold a brand name value to his vehicle... it may be minor... but, it would show to any prospective buyer that someone cared about the motor... and not just how fast a chip could make the beast run...
YES ! You are correct... BANKS has cool stickers... that look sexy... and chicks dig the stickers...unfortunately... no t-shirts... I will ask though... Doesn't hurt to ask...
You have been a worthy Diesel opponent... I respect that... Next time... Post your vehicle... Mine is posted... from purchase condition... thru my first 2, of many future upgrades...
I am interested in see exactly what all those stats and upgrades look like...
If I go with an injector upgrade... the SIx-Gun is the least of my worries... now you are talking head-studs... gaskets... turbos... possible new gears... transmission upgrades... heavy duty brakes... way too much... maybe after I hit the lottery...
P.S. I have no desire to upgrade to new injectors... get that thru to that hard head of yours... you are so hard headed... you remind me.... OF ME !!
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Yesterday' king is not always today's king. I refuse to believe you have never heard the phrase "What have you done for me LATELY?" with emphasis on LATELY. Banks was king once. He does have to prove himself daily or fall back and live in past glory. USA was #1 at one point. Today we are swimming in debt. Why? We haven't proved ourselves LATELY. I suspect we will but not today.
I did call because I had specific questions about whether I can be stepping out on them or if I have to marry them. I want to get my ducks in as much of a row as possible.
Again, those are what people call "canned tunes". If you want to say they are superior to the others, I would say that they are. Also as a "one stop shop" yes they have the edge to many. Banks has been in the racing business for a bit.
"Yesterday's King" has yet to prove himself in TODAY's battle. When he came up with his system, he was probably the best there was since there were few out there. Today, I have yet to see him prove himself. Where was he in the diesel tuner shootout Diesel Power Magazine held a few years ago? Basically it was "Here is a slightly modified truck, Make the program you have work". Showed they were pretty reasonably talented. Banks couldn't compete in that because it would throw his parameters out and he doesn't do that. IOW, his system cannot do that. Could he? Perhaps, we'll never know since he didn't show up.
As did I. I bought the tuned PCM to see if he was as good as he said. Obviously, gauges came first because I wanted to see what the truck was doing as a baseline. After that, exhaust with a 4in downpipe. When he proved himself, I asked him more about what he recommended. Then the Valve Body from BTS which the tuner knew well and when the diode broke my trans, a BTS trans and so on and so forth. Each was one step at a time.
Again, among canned tunes, I will concede that Banks is probably better since he has his tunes wrapped around a certain set of mods. If those were all that I had to choose from, you bet I will be buying from Banks too. The intercooler is not a bad piece. Exhaust, you are going to find the firewall your limitation to the 4 inch rule. Only advantage is if you want to stick a pyro there, it is already made. Beyond that, the others that are out there are not too restrictive.
Banks has been in many other things since 58. He was a proven winner. He has yet to compete in a shootout with the "young turks" and has not proven himself today.
You do understand that the 6 gun is simply adding a resistor between the ICP and the ECM, right? Everyone knows of the 10K mod. This is sticking a resistor of 10K ohms in line to fool the ECM into thinking it only has say 300psi of pressure instead of the actual 400 and it will attempt to raise the pressure until your pump cannot keep up. Hence I bought a dual pump to keep up pressure. Even that is "yesterday's technology" since it is now being challenged by the single Adrenaline pumps for instance. This is like changing the timing on a gas car by turning up the distributor a few degrees. Better than nothing but not as good as writing a program for the chip that advances it more where it needs it and less where it doesn't.
What you have not shown is whether Banks can beat the custom tuners or not. If you can show that, I would concede that you have a point.
IF you are talking 6.0, head studs are necessary. In fact, it would be the VERY FIRST thing I would install. I want to do it at a time of my choosing and not when it breaks in the middle of BFE and you find yourself playing the banjo with the weird kid in the coveralls. My 01 is screwed with the PMRs so I don't dare to go past a certain level before the rods give. Next time there is a block change, it will wear a girdle with forged rods. At that point, I have more expansion. Of course, if Dad sells his F350, I might swap motors for that purpose.
For a 6.0, you need studs for sure. Gears are not necessary unless you are out of your element and need to drop rpms or raise them. I bought a BTS trans so he will warranty it for whatever. He has replaced 6 transmissions in a guy's truck over 8 years FOR FREE with upgrades. Racing is very hard on a trans and when you do pulls, well........
I upgraded injectors but not everybody has to. I like the expansion ability. Why? Because I have fawked myself over and over when I bought something that was good but didn't plan for future increases. "Oh, you dumb sh1t. If you only had paid $500 more, you would have gotten double what you have. Now you get to do it AGAIN". Cheaper to do it the first time.
And yes, I do tend to be a stubborn cuss. I do enjoy these discussions even if they do get a little "lively" from time to time
01 Excursion. Gauges with AIH Delete, AIS Air Filter system, CCV Mod, 4' MBRP, BTS Trans, 6.0L Trans Cooler and Intercooler, DP-Tuner F6 chip, ITP In Tank Mod and Boost Annihilator, Diesel Innovation's Regulated Fuel kit, BTS Big Oil system, GTP38R Turbo with 1.15 A/R housing and BDP Stage II AC injectors. Bilstein Shocks with U code front and A code Rear. Billet thermostat housing |
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MountainWestDiesel
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I will concede that one must stay on top of his game... to survive... that being said... Banks may not be out there beating speed records anymore... or redesigning chips... he likely no longer has too... but, he likely has a following and the reputation that no longer demands he keep innovating...
Banks now takes new trucks from the factory... throws his kit on them... and sells them under his name... not a bad nitch market... but not one I am interested in at the moment...
I will stick w/ a basic mod... and I will wish all these "young turks" to come out of hiding w/ a total package that beats Banks... I will then even break protocol... and pop out my credit card to be the first to have it installed... if it indeed brings out the beast in a diesel... without having to modify stock engines too much...
as for the head studs... i will eventually get those.... but, only after I take care of a few minor suspension upgrades (Front & Rear sway bars & radius rods)...
Then, I am going with the Banks Torque Converter & SpeedBrake... yes, I am a Banks fan... I am goofy about all my she-ite coming from the same manufacturer... looking uniform... and designed to work in unison ...It's the former soldier in me... that demands this type of regiment and order of things...
I will road armor my front and rear bumpers... and add some Recon Projector Headlights... Just for aesthetics... and the CDI index... (Chicks Dig It ...index)
Prior to my purchase of my toy hauler... the head studs & head gaskets will get replaced w/ ARP brand head-studs... I know the Achilles heel of the 6.0L PSD... I will take no chances hauling anything heavier than a few hundred pound Harley... WY is wide open space... with towns called "Hell's Half Acre"... yea.. no shit !! The place can be brutal... that is how much open country there is....
I have already replaced the oil cooler... and there is a rumor my EGR delete kit may be installed... but that is only a rumor... Not sure yet...
GM has a 2500 HD concept... that is supposed to hit the market in 2014 ish... similar to the Ford Raptor... i am hoping this sucker comes to fruit... because what i have read on it... it will be bad ass.... Duramax diesel w/ Allison tranny... Mega HP & Torque... out of the box, and all the off-road kit already installed...
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Posted:4/12/2011 09:29 |
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| Quote: | I will concede that one must stay on top of his game... to survive... that being said... Banks may not be out there beating speed records anymore... or redesigning chips... he likely no longer has too... but, he likely has a following and the reputation that no longer demands he keep innovating...
Banks now takes new trucks from the factory... throws his kit on them... and sells them under his name... not a bad nitch market... but not one I am interested in at the moment...
I will stick w/ a basic mod... and I will wish all these "young turks" to come out of hiding w/ a total package that beats Banks... I will then even break protocol... and pop out my credit card to be the first to have it installed... if it indeed brings out the beast in a diesel... without having to modify stock engines too much...
as for the head studs... i will eventually get those.... but, only after I take care of a few minor suspension upgrades (Front & Rear sway bars & radius rods)...
Then, I am going with the Banks Torque Converter & SpeedBrake... yes, I am a Banks fan... I am goofy about all my she-ite coming from the same manufacturer... looking uniform... and designed to work in unison ...It's the former soldier in me... that demands this type of regiment and order of things...
I will road armor my front and rear bumpers... and add some Recon Projector Headlights... Just for aesthetics... and the CDI index... (Chicks Dig It ...index)
Prior to my purchase of my toy hauler... the head studs & head gaskets will get replaced w/ ARP brand head-studs... I know the Achilles heel of the 6.0L PSD... I will take no chances hauling anything heavier than a few hundred pound Harley... WY is wide open space... with towns called "Hell's Half Acre"... yea.. no shit !! The place can be brutal... that is how much open country there is....
I have already replaced the oil cooler... and there is a rumor my EGR delete kit may be installed... but that is only a rumor... Not sure yet...
GM has a 2500 HD concept... that is supposed to hit the market in 2014 ish... similar to the Ford Raptor... i am hoping this sucker comes to fruit... because what i have read on it... it will be bad ass.... Duramax diesel w/ Allison tranny... Mega HP & Torque... out of the box, and all the off-road kit already installed...
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And we both know what happens when you "rest on your laurels" don't we? China and India done took our lunch, ate it and are looking at our dinner. Lingenfelter was big for a long time in the Vette world. Of course, since he has passed, we won't know anymore what he could do. Factory is still there but I doubt it enjoys the lofty position it once did. I got his Superram and 383 cam. Made over 400 HP with his short block. He had to move over because others came out with something better. Same heads and same size block with a different intake, cam and roller rockers and I mad 410 at the wheels in an auto car. He was making 400+ at the crank which is what his motor was advertised for. As I said, things change.
I know Reeves Callaway used to do that, hence the Callaway Vette. It still had factory warranty and what not so IDK if Banks will have that same privileged.
It will take a while for them to become great and then die out at some point when a younger, more aggressive and more talented individual steps up. Jody from DP-Tuner used to be about programs. Then he had the F5, F6 and F8 chips commissioned from Craig Moates. Now he sells exhaust systems, injectors, HPOPs, etc, etc. It takes time. Of course now, he offers free tunes if you buy a performance item from him like injectors and turbos etc, etc to keep up with other kids on the block. Look at the list I provided. See how many competitors he has out there? Simply driving around and running "Dyno tune day" doesn't cut it anymore. Buy enough stuff and they will "Private Label" it for you or make something to your specs. Bottom line is it, it takes much sales to do something like that. Years ago, you had to "buy in" to be a Ford Motorsport dealer, sell so much, etc, etc.
Before it leaves you stranded, I would. IDK how to do that. In an F350, you take off the cab. In an Excursion, you'd probably have to take the whole thing off so I can understand your unwillingness to do it before it breaks. 6.0s tend to have sealing problems and turbo problems if you don't hit it hard once in a while.
I guess that is the reason for our dispute. You want it all from one place and I don't like to be tied to what one company has or doesn't have. I want to be able to move out and try other options. Banks taps into that sector of the market where you only plan to go within the stock system. Me, I haven't left anything alone and like to go aftermarket. My Vette is more aftermarket than GM. When my timing light was broken and I brought it to GM, they just about crapped. I can still hear the service writer saying "We can't do that because we don't recognize the system". Told him to get me a tech and I will discuss it.
For where you are living, I would think you already have the body armor. I don't live where you live but around me, last year I could have killed 5 deer with my car or truck. One deer can make it a LONG day. For lights, I would not go with those on Ebay. I have thrown out 2 sets already. Retro solutions is about as cheap as I would go and they were cheaper than what I paid for on Ebay and so far, last longer without issues, YET.
I guess if you breakdown there, even the boy in the coveralls and banjo might not be around so, be careful.
I am not familiar with the 6.0 but word is, the EGR delete is a good idea.
Dunno. I'd drive one when it does come out but I would make sure that it has run a couple of years before I buy it. Remember the issues with the 03 and 04 PSD trucks? After that, they fixed a lot of things that didn't show up in the test grounds. Besides, as soon as I screw with it, they will void the warranty so I might as well wait for a gently used truck to be off or near off warranty before I buy.
01 Excursion. Gauges with AIH Delete, AIS Air Filter system, CCV Mod, 4' MBRP, BTS Trans, 6.0L Trans Cooler and Intercooler, DP-Tuner F6 chip, ITP In Tank Mod and Boost Annihilator, Diesel Innovation's Regulated Fuel kit, BTS Big Oil system, GTP38R Turbo with 1.15 A/R housing and BDP Stage II AC injectors. Bilstein Shocks with U code front and A code Rear. Billet thermostat housing |
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MountainWestDiesel
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• Mountain West, WY, USA |
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• Registered on 2/25/2011 |
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• 95 posts |
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Posted:4/12/2011 10:19 |
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Agreed...
It will likely take time for some "new kid on the block" to break thru in the diesel aftermarket... considering the price of fuel... especially diesel... I just see a problem in someone getting financing to take it to the level that Banks currently enjoys... facility wise... Although diesel is king in my neck of the woods... our state has just over 500K people... I think all but yours truly have a diesel dually... LOL
Diesel... i hope... catches on nation wide... it is a better and stronger engine... that once combined w/ a turbo and an inter-cooler... is rather unbeatable...
I know all to well about the defeat of America by foreigners... I have lived abroad... worked abroad... and traveled abroad... quite extensively... and witnessed our kindness, interpreted as weakness... as well as our flat out weakness... We take one step forward... and three steps back... as a nation... everyday...
I live in a RED state... and God, Guns and Country Music reign supreme... Especially the guns... I think Ted Nugent would still dig the country music though.... LOL
I can hunt pheasant on my ranch... the irrigation ditches thicken up over winter... and they bed down in there,,,
Antelope are an everyday occurrence.... especially in the Winter... you can hunt those suckers w/ a ball peen hammer...
Mule Deer the size of horses... due to all the large amount of alfalfa and feed corn grown...
Elk... WY has the largest herd in the lower 48.... Nice to hunt... delicious to eat...
Moose... we even have a resident Moose... who cruises thru my area... but unless you have a tag... better not let the Fish & Game guys catch ya getting one of these out of season, or without a tag... I believe that carries a Death Sentence in WY... LOL Very Serious when it comes to hunting... big $$$$ out here...
I know the 6.0L had its "isms" before I bought an Ex w/ one... but i also know if you modify the sucker correctly... it is one hell of an engine...
The Ex is actually for the old lady... but she allows me to "toy" with it... The EGR will be done... because it helps delete some of the 6.0L "isms" no leaking into the intake... more air to the turbo... a little extra horsepower.... longer engine life.
The paper air filter was horrible... along w/ the entire air intake & exhaust system... any recommendation on a performance CAT? That is the only thing that didn't come in my bolt on kit. That is something that is in the back of my mind...
Once my EX is complete... I may submit a photo to 8 Lug, or Diesel Power... see if it gets published... let folks know there are rather low budget (when compared to these expensive and useless show 4x4s) that can actually, tow and perform and be economical... all at the same time...
i have actually though about painting it w/ line-x... I have only see one other vehicle w/ a line-x paint job... any thoughts on that?
-Chris
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Mark Peterson
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• Big Lake, MN, USA |
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• Registered on 12/29/2004 |
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• 25 posts |
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Posted:4/14/2011 20:19 |
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So guys if you were in my shoes, being that I have the Superchips in the X now. Should I set it at "Tow Safe" "Tow Performance" or "Extreme"? Again I want the best mileage. Thanks again guys
Mark |
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